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Commentary on Use for non-software goods and services
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The "Commentary" pages are are explanatory material relevant to those adopting the Model Trademark Guidelines, like Reporter's Notes for a Restatement or advisory committee notes for model laws. They provide information to the end users of the guidelines about the legal, practical and ideological rationale embodied in the guidelines.
  
===Domain Names===
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If you want to discuss what's on the Commentary page, use the "Discussion" tab for the Commentary page.
  
You write "top or second level domain name"; I suspect you mean "Public Suffix + 1" - http://www.publicsuffix.org/. But perhaps it's better to say "in any label in a domain name".
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==Commentary on Use for non-software goods and services==
  
-- [[User:Gerv|Gerv]] ([[User talk:Gerv|talk]]) 10:38, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
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See [[Commentary:Use for Software]] for additional discussion of trademark law principles as they relate to FOSS projects.
  
I was permitting for third level and directories, but query whether that should be allowed. I also never heard of "Public Suffix" before, so I'm not sure that readers will know what it means. A link to Wikipedia for the definition?
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=== United States ===
  
I chose top and second level because the cases fall along the lines that those are source identifying locations, and directories and tertiary don't tend to be. But we can exclude altogether if you think that's cleaner and/or better.
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The standard for control over promotional goods is probably more relaxed than for core goods:
  
Pam
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<blockquote>If a licensee uses the trademark of a beer or soft drink manufacturer on clothing or glassware, for example, prospective purchasers may be unlikely to assume that the owner of the trademark has more than perfunctory involvement in the production or quality of the licensee's goods even if the manner of use clearly indicates sponsorship by the trademark owner. On the other hand, if the licensee's use is on goods similar or identical to those produced by the trademark owner, purchasers may be likely to assume that the goods are actually manufactured by the owner of the mark. Greater control by the licensor may then be necessary to safeguard the interests of consumers who may purchase the goods on the basis of the licensor's reputation for quality.</blockquote>
  
* The point is that "top" and "second" level don't actually mean what you want them to mean. I live in the UK, which has the ".uk" TLD. However, unlike ".com" and friends, it's currently subdivided into "co.uk" (companies), "org.uk" (organizations) and so on. So if you say "second level", you mean "co.uk", when actually you want to mean things like "foo.co.uk" (which is third level). The Public Suffix List is the data repository which provides a "map" of the DNS and shows where the "dividing lines" are between public and private registrations, because those dividing lines are in different places depending on where you are in the DNS. The PSL does have a Wikipedia page <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Suffix_List>, but you could also link directly to the publicsuffix.org site.
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Restatement (Third) of Unfair Competition § 33, cmt. c (1995); ''see also'' ''Experience Hendrix, LLC. v. Elec. Hendrix, LLC.'', No. C07-0338 TSZ, 2008 WL 3243896 at *7 (W.D. Wash. Aug. 7, 2008) ("The type of quality control required to prevent abandonment varies with the circumstances").
  
-- [[User:Gerv|Gerv]] ([[User talk:Gerv|talk]]) 11:41, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
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There nevertheless is still a duty to exercise quality control, so there should be some effort to have standards that will ensure consistent quality, like the use of vendors authorized by the project or specifications of level of quality for the promotional product.
  
Ah, I see what you mean -- correct that top and second don't always work. Your approach makes more sense; I'll try to find a way to make it understandable for those of us less informed.
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There is also little question that in the United States there will be a "use in commerce," for which trademark rights accrue, even if the goods are given away for free.
  
Pam
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=== Other jurisdictions ===
  
I'm going to move this to the "Discussion" page for the draft. The Commentary pages are meant to be sort of "Reporter's Notes," information for adopters of guidelines on what the parameters of what they might want to change or what legal judgment calls have been made. I realize the structure isn't entirely clear and I'm trying to figure out how to make it clearer. Basically, I wanted the Discussion pages to be about things like this, and the Commentary to be annotations.
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==== European Union ====
  
===Membership Fees===
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Case C-206/01 Arsenal Football Club v Matthew Reed: "In a situation which is not covered by Article 6(1) of the First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks, where a third party uses in the course of trade a sign which is identical to a validly registered trade mark on goods which are identical to those for which it is registered, the trade mark proprietor of the mark is entitled, in circumstances such as those in the present case, to rely on Article 5(1)(a) of that directive to prevent that use. It is immaterial that, in the context of that use, the sign is perceived as a badge of support for or loyalty or affiliation to the trade mark proprietor."
  
Some user groups charge membership fees for the purposes of venue hire, etc. Can we be a little more flexible than "no membership fees at all"?
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Case C-495/07 Silberquelle GmbH v Maselli-Strickmode GmbH: "Articles 10(1) and 12(1) of First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks must be interpreted as meaning that, where the proprietor of a mark affixes that mark to items that it gives, free of charge, to purchasers of its goods, it does not make genuine use of that mark in respect of the class covering those items."
 
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-- [[User:Gerv|Gerv]] ([[User talk:Gerv|talk]]) 10:38, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
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Case C‑442/07, Verein Radetzky-Orden v Bundesvereinigung Kameradschaft ‘Feldmarschall Radetzky’: "Article 12(1) of First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks is to be construed as meaning that a trade mark is put to genuine use where a non-profit-making association uses the trade mark, in its relations with the public, in announcements of forthcoming events, on business papers and on advertising material and where the association’s members wear badges featuring that trade mark when collecting and distributing donations."
 
 
Absolutely! I was just trying to keep out profit-making. Suggestions for revision?
 
 
 
Pam
 

Latest revision as of 13:38, 22 June 2013

The "Commentary" pages are are explanatory material relevant to those adopting the Model Trademark Guidelines, like Reporter's Notes for a Restatement or advisory committee notes for model laws. They provide information to the end users of the guidelines about the legal, practical and ideological rationale embodied in the guidelines.

If you want to discuss what's on the Commentary page, use the "Discussion" tab for the Commentary page.

Commentary on Use for non-software goods and services[edit]

See Commentary:Use for Software for additional discussion of trademark law principles as they relate to FOSS projects.

United States[edit]

The standard for control over promotional goods is probably more relaxed than for core goods:

If a licensee uses the trademark of a beer or soft drink manufacturer on clothing or glassware, for example, prospective purchasers may be unlikely to assume that the owner of the trademark has more than perfunctory involvement in the production or quality of the licensee's goods even if the manner of use clearly indicates sponsorship by the trademark owner. On the other hand, if the licensee's use is on goods similar or identical to those produced by the trademark owner, purchasers may be likely to assume that the goods are actually manufactured by the owner of the mark. Greater control by the licensor may then be necessary to safeguard the interests of consumers who may purchase the goods on the basis of the licensor's reputation for quality.

Restatement (Third) of Unfair Competition § 33, cmt. c (1995); see also Experience Hendrix, LLC. v. Elec. Hendrix, LLC., No. C07-0338 TSZ, 2008 WL 3243896 at *7 (W.D. Wash. Aug. 7, 2008) ("The type of quality control required to prevent abandonment varies with the circumstances").

There nevertheless is still a duty to exercise quality control, so there should be some effort to have standards that will ensure consistent quality, like the use of vendors authorized by the project or specifications of level of quality for the promotional product.

There is also little question that in the United States there will be a "use in commerce," for which trademark rights accrue, even if the goods are given away for free.

Other jurisdictions[edit]

European Union[edit]

Case C-206/01 Arsenal Football Club v Matthew Reed: "In a situation which is not covered by Article 6(1) of the First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks, where a third party uses in the course of trade a sign which is identical to a validly registered trade mark on goods which are identical to those for which it is registered, the trade mark proprietor of the mark is entitled, in circumstances such as those in the present case, to rely on Article 5(1)(a) of that directive to prevent that use. It is immaterial that, in the context of that use, the sign is perceived as a badge of support for or loyalty or affiliation to the trade mark proprietor."

Case C-495/07 Silberquelle GmbH v Maselli-Strickmode GmbH: "Articles 10(1) and 12(1) of First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks must be interpreted as meaning that, where the proprietor of a mark affixes that mark to items that it gives, free of charge, to purchasers of its goods, it does not make genuine use of that mark in respect of the class covering those items."

Case C‑442/07, Verein Radetzky-Orden v Bundesvereinigung Kameradschaft ‘Feldmarschall Radetzky’: "Article 12(1) of First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks is to be construed as meaning that a trade mark is put to genuine use where a non-profit-making association uses the trade mark, in its relations with the public, in announcements of forthcoming events, on business papers and on advertising material and where the association’s members wear badges featuring that trade mark when collecting and distributing donations."