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The below  area is for discussion about the guidelines — changes, questions, objections, suggestions, what should be in or out, etc.  Please put you comments underneath the heading that matches the part of the draft that you are discussing.
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The "Commentary" pages that are linked at the bottom of the Guidelines are modeled after the "Annotations" portion of a Restatement or code. They are not meant as a place for discussion, but rather are for providing information to the end users of the Model Trademark Guidelines about legal, practical and ideological considerations embodied in the guidelines. (If you want to discuss what's on the Commentary page, use the "Discussion" tab for the appropriate Commentary page).
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__TOC__
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== Introduction==
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==Our commitment to open source principles==
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==Trademarks subject to the guidelines==
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===Our trademarks===
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===The trademarks we are not licensing in this Policy===
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==Universal considerations for all uses==
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===Domain Names===
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You write "top or second level domain name"; I suspect you mean "Public Suffix + 1" - http://www.publicsuffix.org/. But perhaps it's better to say "in any label in a domain name".
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-- [[User:Gerv|Gerv]] ([[User talk:Gerv|talk]]) 10:38, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
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I was permitting for third level and directories, but query whether that should be allowed. I also never heard of "Public Suffix" before, so I'm not sure that readers will know what it means. A link to Wikipedia for the definition?
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I chose top and second level because the cases fall along the lines that those are source identifying locations, and directories and tertiary don't tend to be. But we can exclude altogether if you think that's cleaner and/or better.
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Pam
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* The point is that "top" and "second" level don't actually mean what you want them to mean. I live in the UK, which has the ".uk" TLD. However, unlike ".com" and friends, it's currently subdivided into "co.uk" (companies), "org.uk" (organizations) and so on. So if you say "second level", you mean "co.uk", when actually you want to mean things like "foo.co.uk" (which is third level). The Public Suffix List is the data repository which provides a "map" of the DNS and shows where the "dividing lines" are between public and private registrations, because those dividing lines are in different places depending on where you are in the DNS. The PSL does have a Wikipedia page <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Suffix_List>, but you could also link directly to the publicsuffix.org site.
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-- [[User:Gerv|Gerv]] ([[User talk:Gerv|talk]]) 11:41, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
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Ah, I see what you mean -- correct that top and second don't always work. Your approach makes more sense; I'll try to find a way to make it understandable for those of us less informed.
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Pam
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I'm going to move this to the "Discussion" page for the draft. The Commentary pages are meant to be sort of "Reporter's Notes," information for adopters of guidelines on what the parameters of what they might want to change or what legal judgment calls have been made. I realize the structure isn't entirely clear and I'm trying to figure out how to make it clearer. Basically, I wanted the Discussion pages to be about things like this, and the Commentary to be annotations.
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==Use for software==
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===Uses we consider non-infringing===
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====Distribution of unmodified source code or unmodified executable code we have compiled====
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====Distribution of executable code that you have compiled, or modified code====
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====Statements about compatibility, interoperability or derivation====
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====Use of trademarks to show community affiliation====
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===Uses for which we are granting a license===
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====Distribution of modified software====
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====Distribution of software preloaded on hardware====
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===Uses we consider infringing without seeking further permission from us===
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==Use for non-software goods and services==
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===Uses we consider non-infringing===
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====Websites====
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====Publications and presentations ====
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====Events====
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===Uses for which we are granting a license===
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====User groups====
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=====Membership Fees=====
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Some user groups charge membership fees for the purposes of venue hire, etc. Can we be a little more flexible than "no membership fees at all"?
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-- [[User:Gerv|Gerv]] ([[User talk:Gerv|talk]]) 10:38, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
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Absolutely! I was just trying to keep out profit-making. Suggestions for revision?
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Pam
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====Promotional goods====
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===Uses we consider infringing without seeking further permission from us===
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==General Information==
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===Trademark marking and legends===
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===What to do when you see abuse===
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===Where to get further information===
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==General considerations about trademarks and their use==
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===What trademark law is about===
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====What is a trademark?====
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====What is "likelihood of confusion"?====
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====What is "nominative" use?====
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===Proper trademark use===
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Comment from Tmarble about Proper use of Trademarks: "I think it will be easier to read of the examples all have parallel structure... A counter example first (Unacceptable) followed by a positive example (Acceptable)."
 
Comment from Tmarble about Proper use of Trademarks: "I think it will be easier to read of the examples all have parallel structure... A counter example first (Unacceptable) followed by a positive example (Acceptable)."
  
 
I've corrected it.
 
I've corrected it.
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====Use of trademarks in text====
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====Use of Logos====

Revision as of 18:28, 26 March 2013

The below area is for discussion about the guidelines — changes, questions, objections, suggestions, what should be in or out, etc. Please put you comments underneath the heading that matches the part of the draft that you are discussing.

The "Commentary" pages that are linked at the bottom of the Guidelines are modeled after the "Annotations" portion of a Restatement or code. They are not meant as a place for discussion, but rather are for providing information to the end users of the Model Trademark Guidelines about legal, practical and ideological considerations embodied in the guidelines. (If you want to discuss what's on the Commentary page, use the "Discussion" tab for the appropriate Commentary page).

Contents

Introduction

Our commitment to open source principles

Trademarks subject to the guidelines

Our trademarks

The trademarks we are not licensing in this Policy

Universal considerations for all uses

Domain Names

You write "top or second level domain name"; I suspect you mean "Public Suffix + 1" - http://www.publicsuffix.org/. But perhaps it's better to say "in any label in a domain name".

-- Gerv (talk) 10:38, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

I was permitting for third level and directories, but query whether that should be allowed. I also never heard of "Public Suffix" before, so I'm not sure that readers will know what it means. A link to Wikipedia for the definition?

I chose top and second level because the cases fall along the lines that those are source identifying locations, and directories and tertiary don't tend to be. But we can exclude altogether if you think that's cleaner and/or better.

Pam

  • The point is that "top" and "second" level don't actually mean what you want them to mean. I live in the UK, which has the ".uk" TLD. However, unlike ".com" and friends, it's currently subdivided into "co.uk" (companies), "org.uk" (organizations) and so on. So if you say "second level", you mean "co.uk", when actually you want to mean things like "foo.co.uk" (which is third level). The Public Suffix List is the data repository which provides a "map" of the DNS and shows where the "dividing lines" are between public and private registrations, because those dividing lines are in different places depending on where you are in the DNS. The PSL does have a Wikipedia page <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Suffix_List>, but you could also link directly to the publicsuffix.org site.

-- Gerv (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

Ah, I see what you mean -- correct that top and second don't always work. Your approach makes more sense; I'll try to find a way to make it understandable for those of us less informed.

Pam

I'm going to move this to the "Discussion" page for the draft. The Commentary pages are meant to be sort of "Reporter's Notes," information for adopters of guidelines on what the parameters of what they might want to change or what legal judgment calls have been made. I realize the structure isn't entirely clear and I'm trying to figure out how to make it clearer. Basically, I wanted the Discussion pages to be about things like this, and the Commentary to be annotations.


Use for software

Uses we consider non-infringing

Distribution of unmodified source code or unmodified executable code we have compiled

Distribution of executable code that you have compiled, or modified code

Statements about compatibility, interoperability or derivation

Use of trademarks to show community affiliation

Uses for which we are granting a license

Distribution of modified software

Distribution of software preloaded on hardware

Uses we consider infringing without seeking further permission from us

Use for non-software goods and services

Uses we consider non-infringing

Websites

Publications and presentations

Events

Uses for which we are granting a license

User groups

Membership Fees

Some user groups charge membership fees for the purposes of venue hire, etc. Can we be a little more flexible than "no membership fees at all"?

-- Gerv (talk) 10:38, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

Absolutely! I was just trying to keep out profit-making. Suggestions for revision?

Pam


Promotional goods

Uses we consider infringing without seeking further permission from us

General Information

Trademark marking and legends

What to do when you see abuse

Where to get further information

General considerations about trademarks and their use

What trademark law is about

What is a trademark?

What is "likelihood of confusion"?

What is "nominative" use?

Proper trademark use

Comment from Tmarble about Proper use of Trademarks: "I think it will be easier to read of the examples all have parallel structure... A counter example first (Unacceptable) followed by a positive example (Acceptable)."

I've corrected it.

Use of trademarks in text

Use of Logos

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